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Henrik Rasmussen

14 Sep 2018 14 Sep '18

12:35 p.m.

When receiving a mail from Mailman 3, the From: User name is the description of the list, like From: Long desription of the list for all members of certain project project@lists.example.com.

Starting to get old, I recall something about a discussion we once had on http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/, but I don't recall the reason for this and I can't find the discussion, so it might be something I dreamed.

What was the reason for implementing this? And could it be a selectable choise in Mailman 3?

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Mark Sapiro

14 Sep 14 Sep

3:36 p.m.

On 09/14/2018 05:35 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote:

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When receiving a mail from Mailman 3, the From: User name is the description of the list, like From: Long desription of the list for all members of certain project project@lists.example.com.

Starting to get old, I recall something about a discussion we once had on http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/, but I don't recall the reason for this and I can't find the discussion, so it might be something I dreamed.

Specifically what messages are you talking about? The only case I see offhand where the From: is as you describe is in posts from an anonymous list.

In any case, the list description is described in Postorius as "This description is used when the mailing list is listed with other mailing lists, or in headers, and so forth. It should be as succinct as you can get it, while still identifying what the list is." I.e., it shouldn't be a long description.

-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

Henrik Rasmussen

17 Sep 17 Sep

8:04 a.m.

It is the description in the Settings -> List Identity -> Description that is used in the list overview https://list.example.com/postorius/lists/ and also as the "From:" in the mails sent to the subscribers.

I try to keep the descriptions as short as possible, and I don't consider "Newsletter to the members of the Anthropology Society" a long message, when displayed in https://list.example.com/postorius/lists/, but when the description is displayed as From: in mails, I agree it is a long description.

On lists.mailman3.org, the description "General list for Mailman 3 users and others interested in Mailman 3" is also short, but when used as From: it is fairly long.

 -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
 From: Mailman-users is an infrequent newsletter sent to list administrators <mailman-users@lists.example.com>
 Sent: 14. september 2018 13:20
 To: mailman-users@lists.example.com
 Subject: Test 201809141319

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-- Henrik Rasmussen mailto:her@adm.ku.dk> University of Copenhagen, Danmark

-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net Sendt: 14. september 2018 17:36 Til: mailman-users@mailman3.org Emne: [MM3-users] Re: List description as sender

On 09/14/2018 05:35 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote:

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When receiving a mail from Mailman 3, the From: User name is the description of the list, like From: Long desription of the list for all members of certain project mailto:project@lists.example.com>.

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Starting to get old, I recall something about a discussion we once had on http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/, but I don't recall the reason for this and I can't find the discussion, so it might be something I dreamed.

Specifically what messages are you talking about? The only case I see

offhand where the From: is as you describe is in posts from an anonymous

list.

In any case, the list description is described in Postorius as "This

description is used when the mailing list is listed with other mailing

lists, or in headers, and so forth. It should be as succinct as you can

get it, while still identifying what the list is." I.e., it shouldn't be

a long description.

Mark Sapiro mailto:mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,

San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Mark Sapiro

18 Sep 18 Sep

12:58 a.m.

On 09/17/2018 01:04 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote:

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It is the description in the Settings -> List Identity -> Description that is used in the list overview https://list.example.com/postorius/lists/ and also as the "From:" in the mails sent to the subscribers.

And it is only the From: in posts delivered to the list members if the list is anonymous. Otherwise the From: is that from the original post to the list or possibly a mumged version thereof in the case of DMARC mitigations.

I think your choices are:

Don't configure the list as anonymous.
Make the list's Description what you think is appropriate for the display name part of the From: header.
Modify mailman/handlers/cleanse.py to use something else in the From: header of anonymized posts.
Submit an RFE at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/new asking for the solution you want and possibly a merge request implementing it.
Live with it as is.

-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

Henrik Rasmussen

24 Sep 24 Sep

11 a.m.

Mark Sapiro wrote:

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On 09/17/2018 01:04 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: I think your choices are:

Don't configure the list as anonymous.

I've just tested it on a list which was imported from Mailman 2, but changing the list to announced doens't seem to affect the From:

Thread-Topic: Test 201809241228 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:28:32 +0000 Accept-Language: da-DK, en-US Content-Language: da-DK X-MailFrom: me@ku.dk X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: member-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address From: Testliste for Mailman-administratoren project@lists.example.com

The list config is :

{ 'acceptable_aliases': [], 'admin_immed_notify': False, 'admin_notify_mchanges': False, 'administrivia': True, 'advertised': True, 'allow_list_posts': True, 'anonymous_list': True, 'archive_policy': 'never', 'autorespond_owner': 'none', 'autorespond_postings': 'none', 'autorespond_requests': 'none', 'autoresponse_grace_period': '90d', 'autoresponse_owner_text': '', 'autoresponse_postings_text': '', 'autoresponse_request_text': '', 'bounces_address': 'project-bounces@lists.example.com', 'collapse_alternatives': False, 'convert_html_to_plaintext': False, 'created_at': '2014-12-05T14:16:33.126729', 'default_member_action': 'hold', 'default_nonmember_action': 'reject', 'description': 'Testliste for the Mailman administrator', 'digest_last_sent_at': '2018-09-24T10:28:39.309653', 'digest_send_periodic': True, 'digest_size_threshold': 30.0, 'digest_volume_frequency': 'monthly', 'digests_enabled': True, 'display_name': 'project', 'dmarc_mitigate_action': 'no_mitigation', 'dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally': False, 'dmarc_moderation_notice': '', 'dmarc_wrapped_message_text': '', 'filter_content': False, 'first_strip_reply_to': True, 'fqdn_project': 'project@lists.example.com', 'http_etag': '"29465efe640811a7f2880b879c65c2f2651c3ac3"', 'include_rfc2369_headers': True, 'info': '', 'join_address': 'project-join@lists.example.com', 'last_post_at': '2018-05-25T08:10:54.222183', 'leave_address': 'project-leave@lists.example.com', 'list_name': 'project', 'mail_host': 'lists.example.com', 'max_message_size': 30000, 'moderator_password': None, 'next_digest_number': 17, 'no_reply_address': 'noreply@lists.example.com', 'owner_address': 'project-owner@lists.example.com', 'post_id': 91, 'posting_address': 'project@lists.example.com', 'posting_pipeline': 'default-posting-pipeline', 'reply_goes_to_list': 'explicit_header', 'reply_to_address': 'me@ku.dk', 'request_address': 'project-request@lists.example.com', 'send_welcome_message': True, 'subject_prefix': '[project]', 'subscription_policy': 'confirm_then_moderate', 'volume': 10}

Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro

1:53 p.m.

On 9/24/18 4:00 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote:

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Mark Sapiro wrote:

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On 09/17/2018 01:04 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: I think your choices are:

Don't configure the list as anonymous.

I've just tested it on a list which was imported from Mailman 2, but changing the list to announced doens't seem to affect the From: ... 'anonymous_list': True,

Set anonymous_list False.

-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

Henrik Rasmussen

25 Sep 25 Sep

10:34 a.m.

Yes, but even the Settings -> Alter Messages -> Anonymous list is set to No, the 'anonymous_list': is still True.

That is my problem, I think.

-- Henrik Rasmussen her@adm.ku.dk University of Copenhagen, Danmark

-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net Sendt: 24. september 2018 15:54 Til: mailman-users@mailman3.org Emne: [MM3-users] Re: List description as sender

On 9/24/18 4:00 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote:

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Mark Sapiro wrote:

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On 09/17/2018 01:04 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: I think your choices are:

Don't configure the list as anonymous.

I've just tested it on a list which was imported from Mailman 2, but changing the list to announced doens't seem to affect the From: ... 'anonymous_list': True,

Set anonymous_list False.

-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Mark Sapiro

26 Sep 26 Sep

12:03 a.m.

On 9/25/18 3:34 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote:

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Yes, but even the Settings -> Alter Messages -> Anonymous list is set to No, the 'anonymous_list': is still True.

It works for me with Postorius 1.2.2. Settings -> Alter Messages -> Anonymous list follows changes I make to the list's anonymous_list in core and core follows changes I make in Postorius.

-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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