I'm having issues with my lists. For each list I have created a template [ list:user:action:subscribe ]which has a prospective subscriber have to consent to list rules before they are subscribed. This template I created is listed in Postorius for each list. I have noticed that there are no other templates listed in Postorius. Furthermore, there is no 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates/.
Help (please)!
They're in the DB.
On Thu, May 4, 2023, 20:33 Christian via Mailman-users < mailman-users@mailman3.org> wrote:
I'm having issues with my lists. For each list I have created a template [ list:user:action:subscribe ]which has a prospective subscriber have to consent to list rules before they are subscribed. This template I created is listed in Postorius for each list. I have noticed that there are no other templates listed in Postorius. Furthermore, there is no 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates/.
Help (please)!
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On 5/4/23 10:33, Christian via Mailman-users wrote:
I'm having issues with my lists. For each list I have created a template [ list:user:action:subscribe ]which has a prospective subscriber have to consent to list rules before they are subscribed. This template I created is listed in Postorius for each list. I have noticed that there are no other templates listed in Postorius. Furthermore, there is no 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates/.
When you set a template in Postorius it saves it in the postorius_emailtemplate table in the database and tells Mailman core to get the template from Postorius via a URI to a Postorius API.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
In March when I started troubleshooting my lists, you stated:
"Also, one other thing you might check. Do these non-working lists have templates defined in postorius, in particular, one for list:member:regular:footer, and if not, are there any in Mailman's var/templates/lists/redlatinleg@lists.ccalternatives.org/ derectory that Mailman doesn't have permission to find and read?"
There are no other templates listed in either Postorius nor in Mailman's var/templates (as I stated, I do not even lave a 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates). My subscribers are not receiving message distributions from my lists, even while some of them are listed in the archives.
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 10:58 AM To: mailman-users@mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: templates
On 5/4/23 10:33, Christian via Mailman-users wrote:
I'm having issues with my lists. For each list I have created a template [ list:user:action:subscribe ]which has a prospective subscriber have to consent to list rules before they are subscribed. This template I created is listed in Postorius for each list. I have noticed that there are no other templates listed in Postorius. Furthermore, there is no 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates/.
When you set a template in Postorius it saves it in the postorius_emailtemplate table in the database and tells Mailman core to get the template from Postorius via a URI to a Postorius API.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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On 5/4/23 11:15, Christian via Mailman-users wrote:
In March when I started troubleshooting my lists, you stated:
"Also, one other thing you might check. Do these non-working lists have templates defined in postorius, in particular, one for list:member:regular:footer, and if not, are there any in Mailman's var/templates/lists/redlatinleg@lists.ccalternatives.org/ derectory that Mailman doesn't have permission to find and read?"
There are no other templates listed in either Postorius nor in Mailman's var/templates (as I stated, I do not even lave a 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates). My subscribers are not receiving message distributions from my lists, even while some of them are listed in the archives.
See the original thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/U... (which you hijacked about 4 messages in) and particularly the message at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message/...
Without further information, I can't say more than that.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Okay I sent a test message this morning and subscribers are reporting they did not receive it. The smtp.log shows 'smtp to degrowcali@lists.ccalternatives.org for 25 recips, completed in 3276.275292634964 seconds' (see below) I alone received it however and it is listed in the archive. Below is the excerpt from smtp.log. Two of my 5 lists are exhibiting this behavior, while 2 other lists are working normally. Please advise. Thank you.
root@zarathustra:/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs# vi smtp.log May 05 08:09:24 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 48706) recip: degrowcali-bounces+vortexanthony=hotmail.com@lists.ccalternatives.org May 05 08:09:24 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 48706) >> b'DATA' May 05 08:09:24 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 48706) >> b'QUIT' May 05 08:09:24 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 48706) connection lost May 05 08:09:24 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 48706) Connection lost during _handle_client() May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 60312) May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) handling connection May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) >> b'LHLO zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) >> b'MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=9885 BODY=8BITMIME' May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) sender: <> May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) >> b'RCPT TO:<degrowcali-bounces+alaitz.aritza=gmail.com@lists.ccalternatives.org>' May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) recip: degrowcali-bounces+alaitz.aritza=gmail.com@lists.ccalternatives.org May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) >> b'DATA' May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) >> b'QUIT' May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) connection lost May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) Connection lost during _handle_client() May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> smtp to degrowcali@lists.ccalternatives.org for 25 recips, completed in 3276.275292634964 seconds May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> post to degrowcali@lists.ccalternatives.org from christian@degrowthcalifornia.org, 5012 bytes May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329874052.765.12737190159456781981@zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp to degrowcali@lists.ccalternatives.org for 1 recips, completed in 0.011698722839355469 seconds May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329874052.765.12737190159456781981@zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post to degrowcali@lists.ccalternatives.org from degrowcali-bounces+6397d6fde210be0b39dbf22a9868e61d6e2d0f23@lists.ccalternat ives.org, 11445 bytes May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329886073.765.17844938860507947692@zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp to degrowcali@lists.ccalternatives.org for 1 recips, completed in 0.00799560546875 seconds May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329886073.765.17844938860507947692@zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post to degrowcali@lists.ccalternatives.org from degrowcali-bounces+62749dfe16f9d39e2cd0c3e94754723efbe8169d@lists.ccalternat ives.org, 11400 bytes May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329958151.765.3625387421642934590@zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp to degrowcali@lists.ccalternatives.org for 1 recips, completed in 0.008965730667114258 seconds May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329958151.765.3625387421642934590@zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post to degrowcali@lists.ccalternatives.org from degrowcali-bounces+8890cbead24710cdebeedbbd96d99fcd7f6f1343@lists.ccalternat ives.org, 11426 bytes May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 39046) May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) handling connection May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) >> b'LHLO zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) >> b'MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=15076 BODY=8BITMIME' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) sender: <> May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) >> b'RCPT TO:<degrowcali-bounces+6397d6fde210be0b39dbf22a9868e61d6e2d0f23@lists.ccalte rnatives.org>' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) recip: degrowcali-bounces+6397d6fde210be0b39dbf22a9868e61d6e2d0f23@lists.ccalternat ives.org May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) >> b'DATA' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) >> b'QUIT' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) connection lost May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) Connection lost during _handle_client() May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 39050) May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) handling connection May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) >> b'LHLO zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) >> b'MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=15049 BODY=8BITMIME' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) sender: <> May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) >> b'RCPT TO:<degrowcali-bounces+8890cbead24710cdebeedbbd96d99fcd7f6f1343@lists.ccalte rnatives.org>' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) recip: degrowcali-bounces+8890cbead24710cdebeedbbd96d99fcd7f6f1343@lists.ccalternat ives.org May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) >> b'DATA' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) >> b'QUIT' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) connection lost
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 12:19 PM To: mailman-users@mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: templates
On 5/4/23 11:15, Christian via Mailman-users wrote:
In March when I started troubleshooting my lists, you stated:
"Also, one other thing you might check. Do these non-working lists have templates defined in postorius, in particular, one for list:member:regular:footer, and if not, are there any in Mailman's mailto:var/templates/lists/redlatinleg@lists.ccalternatives.org/ derectory
that Mailman doesn't have permission to find and read?"
There are no other templates listed in either Postorius nor in Mailman's var/templates (as I stated, I do not even lave a 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates). My subscribers are not receiving message distributions from my lists, even while some of them are listed in the archives.
See the original thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/U HWOG6S57FM2SIQWHEPWM3CDUSAMLOOP/ (which you hijacked about 4 messages in) and particularly the message at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message/ NZ7G3JMYXFTQNVJ2DYGJ6PETEQT55SKB/
Without further information, I can't say more than that.
-- Mark Sapiro <mailto:mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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On 5/5/23 15:27, Christian via Mailman-users wrote:
Okay I sent a test message this morning and subscribers are reporting they did not receive it. The smtp.log shows 'smtp to degrowcali@lists.ccalternatives.org for 25 recips, completed in 3276.275292634964 seconds' (see below) I alone received it however and it is listed in the archive. Below is the excerpt from smtp.log. Two of my 5 lists are exhibiting this behavior, while 2 other lists are working normally. Please advise. Thank you.
That message says Mailman delivered the message for 25 recipients to the outgoing MTA. If only one recipient received it, you first need to check the outgoing MTA's logs to see whether the message was delivered to the recipient's mail servers or not. Those logs should indicate that either the message was delivered to each recipient's first hop mail server or not. If not, there should be a reason why in the logs. If the message was delivered, it could have been rejected by an MTA further down stream in which case a DSN message should be returned, but possibly not for days, or it could have been delivered to the user's spam/bulk/junk/promo/whatever folder or silently discarded.
Do your list's do bounce processing? If so, what's in Mailman's bounce.log?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
From bounce.log
May 05 07:59:00 2023 (765) Member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 5. May 05 07:59:00 2023 (765) Member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score 5 >= threshold 5, sending probe. May 05 08:01:00 2023 (765) Member baronchadg@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 5. May 05 08:01:00 2023 (765) Member baronchadg@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score 5 >= threshold 5, sending probe. May 05 08:11:01 2023 (765) Member vortexanthony@hotmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 1. May 05 08:13:01 2023 (765) Member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 5. May 05 08:13:01 2023 (765) Member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score 5 >= threshold 5, sending probe. May 05 08:15:01 2023 (765) Probe bounce received for member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:15:01 2023 (765) Disabling delivery for juliankrauspolk@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org by bounce May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Probe bounce received for member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Disabling delivery for alaitz.aritza@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org by bounce May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Probe bounce received for member baronchadg@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Disabling delivery for baronchadg@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org by bounce May 05 08:17:02 2023 (765) Residual bounce received for member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:17:02 2023 (765) Residual bounce received for member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:17:02 2023 (765) Residual bounce received for member baronchadg@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org.
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2023 4:39 PM To: mailman-users@mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: templates
On 5/5/23 15:27, Christian via Mailman-users wrote:
Okay I sent a test message this morning and subscribers are reporting they did not receive it. The smtp.log shows 'smtp to degrowcali@lists.ccalternatives.org for 25 recips, completed in 3276.275292634964 seconds' (see below) I alone received it however and it is listed in the archive. Below is the excerpt from smtp.log. Two of my 5 lists are exhibiting this behavior, while 2 other lists are working normally. Please advise. Thank you.
That message says Mailman delivered the message for 25 recipients to the outgoing MTA. If only one recipient received it, you first need to check the outgoing MTA's logs to see whether the message was delivered to the recipient's mail servers or not. Those logs should indicate that either the message was delivered to each recipient's first hop mail server or not. If not, there should be a reason why in the logs. If the message was delivered, it could have been rejected by an MTA further down stream in which case a DSN message should be returned, but possibly not for days, or it could have been delivered to the user's spam/bulk/junk/promo/whatever folder or silently discarded.
Do your list's do bounce processing? If so, what's in Mailman's bounce.log?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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On 5/5/23 17:04, Christian via Mailman-users wrote:
From bounce.log
May 05 07:59:00 2023 (765) Member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 5. May 05 07:59:00 2023 (765) Member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score 5 >= threshold 5, sending probe. May 05 08:01:00 2023 (765) Member baronchadg@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 5. May 05 08:01:00 2023 (765) Member baronchadg@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score 5 >= threshold 5, sending probe. May 05 08:11:01 2023 (765) Member vortexanthony@hotmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 1. May 05 08:13:01 2023 (765) Member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 5. May 05 08:13:01 2023 (765) Member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score 5 >= threshold 5, sending probe. May 05 08:15:01 2023 (765) Probe bounce received for member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:15:01 2023 (765) Disabling delivery for juliankrauspolk@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org by bounce May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Probe bounce received for member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Disabling delivery for alaitz.aritza@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org by bounce May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Probe bounce received for member baronchadg@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Disabling delivery for baronchadg@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org by bounce May 05 08:17:02 2023 (765) Residual bounce received for member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:17:02 2023 (765) Residual bounce received for member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:17:02 2023 (765) Residual bounce received for member baronchadg@gmail.com on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org.
So some of your user's, but not 24, are bouncing. If your list's bounce processing settings have Notify owner on disable = Yes, the owner should receive a notice including the DSN. If Notify owner on bounce increment = Yes, the owner will also get notices when a user's score is incremented as for vortexanthony@hotmail.com above.
This still doesn't answer the other users. Have you looked at the MTA logs?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
It seems like something about my SPF or DKIM records are upsetting to gmail, hence the bounces I'm guessing. That aside, this is what mail.log says:
May 5 08:02:50 zarathustra postfix/smtpd[14110]: AF07B1004A4: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] May 5 08:02:50 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[26614]: AF07B1004A4: message-id=<046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> May 5 08:02:50 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[26614]: AF07B1004A4: warning: header Subject: [Degrowcali] test - please ignore from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<degrowcali-bounces+eappiah=dons.usfca.edu@lists.ccalternatives.org> to=<eappiah@dons.usfca.edu> proto=ESMTP helo=<zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:02:50 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: AF07B1004A4: from=<degrowcali-bounces+eappiah=dons.usfca.edu@lists.ccalternatives.org>, size=6812, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 5 08:04:06 zarathustra postfix/smtp[25955]: AF07B1004A4: to=<eappiah@dons.usfca.edu>, relay=mxb-00277301.gslb.pphosted.com[148.163.158.109]:25, delay=76, delays=0.01/0/61/15, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 3qcf1p3wf4-1 Message accepted for delivery) May 5 08:04:06 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: AF07B1004A4: removed May 5 08:05:01 zarathustra postfix/smtpd[14110]: C263A1004A4: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] May 5 08:05:01 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[27274]: C263A1004A4: message-id=<046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> May 5 08:05:01 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[27274]: C263A1004A4: warning: header Subject: [Degrowcali] test - please ignore from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<degrowcali-bounces+adga=ucdavis.edu@lists.ccalternatives.org> to=<adga@ucdavis.edu> proto=ESMTP helo=<zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:05:01 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: C263A1004A4: from=<degrowcali-bounces+adga=ucdavis.edu@lists.ccalternatives.org>, size=6806, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 5 08:05:04 zarathustra postfix/smtp[25955]: C263A1004A4: to=<adga@ucdavis.edu>, relay=ucdavis-edu.mail.protection.outlook.com[104.47.66.10]:25, delay=2.5, delays=0.01/0/0.15/2.3, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 <046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> [InternalId=117626269340390, Hostname=BN8PR08MB6290.namprd08.prod.outlook.com] 16054 bytes in 0.131, 119.439 KB/sec Queued mail for delivery) May 5 08:05:04 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: C263A1004A4: removed May 5 08:07:12 zarathustra postfix/smtpd[14110]: D3CCE1004A4: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] May 5 08:07:12 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[27925]: D3CCE1004A4: message-id=<046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> May 5 08:07:12 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[27925]: D3CCE1004A4: warning: header Subject: [Degrowcali] test - please ignore from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<degrowcali-bounces+chris.hebdon=yale.edu@lists.ccalternatives.org> to=<chris.hebdon@yale.edu> proto=ESMTP helo=<zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:07:12 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: D3CCE1004A4: from=<degrowcali-bounces+chris.hebdon=yale.edu@lists.ccalternatives.org>, size=6811, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 5 08:07:13 zarathustra postfix/smtp[27926]: D3CCE1004A4: to=<chris.hebdon@yale.edu>, relay=yale-edu.mail.protection.outlook.com[104.47.59.138]:25, delay=0.77, delays=0.01/0.02/0.07/0.67, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 <046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> [InternalId=16887811415117, Hostname=PH0PR08MB6757.namprd08.prod.outlook.com] 16093 bytes in 0.121, 129.491 KB/sec Queued mail for delivery) May 5 08:07:13 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: D3CCE1004A4: removed May 5 08:09:23 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[28574]: E394C1005BA: message-id=<046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> May 5 08:09:23 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[28574]: E394C1005BA: warning: header Subject: [Degrowcali] test - please ignore from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<degrowcali-bounces+vortexanthony=hotmail.com@lists.ccalternatives.org> to=<vortexanthony@hotmail.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:09:23 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: E394C1005BA: from=<degrowcali-bounces+vortexanthony=hotmail.com@lists.ccalternatives.org> , size=6815, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/smtp[28575]: E394C1005BA: to=<vortexanthony@hotmail.com>, relay=hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.17.161]:25, delay=0.58, delays=0.01/0.02/0.41/0.14, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.17.161] said: 550 5.7.1 Unfortunately, messages from [192.46.218.224] weren't sent. Please contact your Internet service provider since part of their network is on our block list (S3140). You can also refer your provider to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. [VI1EUR05FT042.eop-eur05.prod.protection.outlook.com 2023-05-05T15:09:24.433Z 08DB4D70FA71385D] (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/smtp[28575]: E394C1005BA: lost connection with hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.17.161] while sending RCPT TO May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[28574]: 7C9B31005EB: message-id=<20230505150924.7C9B31005EB@zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: 7C9B31005EB: from=<>, size=9884, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/bounce[28579]: E394C1005BA: sender non-delivery notification: 7C9B31005EB May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/bounce[28579]: E394C1005BA: sender non-delivery notification: 7C9B31005EB May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/bounce[28579]: E394C1005BA: sender non-delivery notification: 7C9B31005EB May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: E394C1005BA: removed May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/lmtp[28581]: 7C9B31005EB: to=<degrowcali-bounces+vortexanthony=hotmail.com@lists.ccalternatives.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.04, delays=0/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: 7C9B31005EB: removed May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/smtpd[14110]: 016931005BA: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[29218]: 016931005BA: message-id=<046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[29218]: 016931005BA: warning: header Subject: [Degrowcali] test - please ignore from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<degrowcali-bounces+alaitz.aritza=gmail.com@lists.ccalternatives.org> to=<alaitz.aritza@gmail.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: 016931005BA: from=<degrowcali-bounces+alaitz.aritza=gmail.com@lists.ccalternatives.org>, size=6813, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/smtp[29219]: 016931005BA: to=<alaitz.aritza@gmail.com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.251.116.26]:25, delay=0.43, delays=0.01/0.02/0.03/0.37, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.251.116.26] said: 550-5.7.1 [192.46.218.224 12] Our system has detected that this message is 550-5.7.1 likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent to Gmail, 550-5.7.1 this message has been blocked. Please visit 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError 550 5.7.1 for more information. m12-20020a0568080f0c00b00389455db611si4492291oiw.127 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command)) May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[29218]: 6ACFD1005EB: message-id=<20230505151135.6ACFD1005EB@zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: 6ACFD1005EB: from=<>, size=9885, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/bounce[29222]: 016931005BA: sender non-delivery notification: 6ACFD1005EB May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: 016931005BA: removed May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/lmtp[29224]: 6ACFD1005EB: to=<degrowcali-bounces+alaitz.aritza=gmail.com@lists.ccalternatives.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.03, delays=0/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: 6ACFD1005EB: removed May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/smtpd[14110]: 1522D1004A4: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[29884]: 1522D1004A4: message-id=<046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[29884]: 1522D1004A4: warning: header Subject: [Degrowcali] test - please ignore from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<degrowcali-bounces+kamccammon=ucdavis.edu@lists.ccalternatives.org> to=<kamccammon@ucdavis.edu> proto=ESMTP helo=<zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: 1522D1004A4: from=<degrowcali-bounces+kamccammon=ucdavis.edu@lists.ccalternatives.org>, size=6812, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/smtpd[14110]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] ehlo=1 mail=25 rcpt=25 data=25 quit=1 commands=77 May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/smtpd[14110]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/smtpd[14110]: 1D3FB1005DA: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[29884]: 1D3FB1005DA: warning: header Subject: Degrowcali mailing list probe message from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<degrowcali-bounces+6397d6fde210be0b39dbf22a9868e61d6e2d0f23@lists.ccal ternatives.org> to=<juliankrauspolk@gmail.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[29884]: 1D3FB1005DA: message-id=<168329874052.765.12737190159456781981@zarathustra.ccalternatives .org> May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[29884]: 1D3FB1005DA: warning: header Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<degrowcali-bounces+6397d6fde210be0b39dbf22a9868e61d6e2d0f23@lists.ccal ternatives.org> to=<juliankrauspolk@gmail.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[29884]: 1D3FB1005DA: warning: header Subject: [Degrowcali] test - please ignore from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<degrowcali-bounces+6397d6fde210be0b39dbf22a9868e61d6e2d0f23@lists.ccal ternatives.org> to=<juliankrauspolk@gmail.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/qmgr[2262]: 1D3FB1005DA: from=<degrowcali-bounces+6397d6fde210be0b39dbf22a9868e61d6e2d0f23@lists.ccal ternatives.org>, size=11949, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/smtpd[14110]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/smtpd[14110]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/smtpd[14110]: 2707E1005EB: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[29884]: 2707E1005EB: warning: header Subject: Degrowcali mailing list probe message from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<degrowcali-bounces+62749dfe16f9d39e2cd0c3e94754723efbe8169d@lists.ccal ternatives.org> to=<baronchadg@gmail.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> May 5 08:13:46 zarathustra postfix/cleanup[29884]: 2707E1005EB: message-id=<168329886073.765.17844938860507947692@zarathustra.ccalternatives .org>
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2023 5:43 PM To: mailman-users@mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: templates
On 5/5/23 17:04, Christian via Mailman-users wrote:
From bounce.log
May 05 07:59:00 2023 (765) Member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com <mailto:juliankrauspolk@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 5. May 05 07:59:00 2023 (765) Member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com <mailto:juliankrauspolk@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score 5 >= threshold 5, sending probe. May 05 08:01:00 2023 (765) Member baronchadg@gmail.com <mailto:baronchadg@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 5. May 05 08:01:00 2023 (765) Member baronchadg@gmail.com <mailto:baronchadg@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score 5 >= threshold 5, sending probe. May 05 08:11:01 2023 (765) Member vortexanthony@hotmail.com <mailto:vortexanthony@hotmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 1. May 05 08:13:01 2023 (765) Member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com <mailto:alaitz.aritza@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score = 5. May 05 08:13:01 2023 (765) Member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com <mailto:alaitz.aritza@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org, bounce score 5 >= threshold 5, sending probe. May 05 08:15:01 2023 (765) Probe bounce received for member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com <mailto:juliankrauspolk@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:15:01 2023 (765) Disabling delivery for juliankrauspolk@gmail.com <mailto:juliankrauspolk@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org by bounce May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Probe bounce received for member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com <mailto:alaitz.aritza@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Disabling delivery for alaitz.aritza@gmail.com <mailto:alaitz.aritza@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org by bounce May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Probe bounce received for member baronchadg@gmail.com <mailto:baronchadg@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:15:02 2023 (765) Disabling delivery for baronchadg@gmail.com <mailto:baronchadg@gmail.com>
on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org by bounce May 05 08:17:02 2023 (765) Residual bounce received for member juliankrauspolk@gmail.com <mailto:juliankrauspolk@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:17:02 2023 (765) Residual bounce received for member alaitz.aritza@gmail.com <mailto:alaitz.aritza@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org. May 05 08:17:02 2023 (765) Residual bounce received for member baronchadg@gmail.com <mailto:baronchadg@gmail.com> on list degrowcali.lists.ccalternatives.org.
So some of your user's, but not 24, are bouncing. If your list's bounce processing settings have Notify owner on disable = Yes, the owner should receive a notice including the DSN. If Notify owner on bounce increment = Yes, the owner will also get notices when a user's score is incremented as for vortexanthony@hotmail.com <mailto:vortexanthony@hotmail.com> above.
This still doesn't answer the other users. Have you looked at the MTA logs?
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On 5/6/23 14:26, Christian via Mailman-users wrote:
It seems like something about my SPF or DKIM records are upsetting to gmail, hence the bounces I'm guessing. That aside, this is what mail.log says:
Could be, but If the issue is SPF or DKIM, Google is usually specific about that in the reject message.
... May 5 08:04:06 zarathustra postfix/smtp[25955]: AF07B1004A4: to=<eappiah@dons.usfca.edu>, relay=mxb-00277301.gslb.pphosted.com[148.163.158.109]:25, delay=76, delays=0.01/0/61/15, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 3qcf1p3wf4-1 Message accepted for delivery) ... May 5 08:05:04 zarathustra postfix/smtp[25955]: C263A1004A4: to=<adga@ucdavis.edu>, relay=ucdavis-edu.mail.protection.outlook.com[104.47.66.10]:25, delay=2.5, delays=0.01/0/0.15/2.3, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 <046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> [InternalId=117626269340390, Hostname=BN8PR08MB6290.namprd08.prod.outlook.com] 16054 bytes in 0.131, 119.439 KB/sec Queued mail for delivery) ... May 5 08:07:13 zarathustra postfix/smtp[27926]: D3CCE1004A4: to=<chris.hebdon@yale.edu>, relay=yale-edu.mail.protection.outlook.com[104.47.59.138]:25, delay=0.77, delays=0.01/0.02/0.07/0.67, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 <046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$@degrowthcalifornia.org> [InternalId=16887811415117, Hostname=PH0PR08MB6757.namprd08.prod.outlook.com] 16093 bytes in 0.121, 129.491 KB/sec Queued mail for delivery)
The above 3 are successful deliveries. If those users did not receive the mail, it may have been delivered to a spam/bulk/junk/... folder or silently discarded, but it's not a Mailman issue.
... May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/smtp[28575]: E394C1005BA: to=<vortexanthony@hotmail.com>, relay=hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.17.161]:25, delay=0.58, delays=0.01/0.02/0.41/0.14, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.17.161] said: 550 5.7.1 Unfortunately, messages from [192.46.218.224] weren't sent. Please contact your Internet service provider since part of their network is on our block list (S3140). You can also refer your provider to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. [VI1EUR05FT042.eop-eur05.prod.protection.outlook.com 2023-05-05T15:09:24.433Z 08DB4D70FA71385D] (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) ... May 5 08:09:24 zarathustra postfix/lmtp[28581]: 7C9B31005EB: to=<degrowcali-bounces+vortexanthony=hotmail.com@lists.ccalternatives.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.04, delays=0/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok)
These are a bounced mail (Hotmail/outlook is blocking your IP) and the subsequent successful delivery of the bounce DSN back to Mailman.
... May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/smtp[29219]: 016931005BA: to=<alaitz.aritza@gmail.com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.251.116.26]:25, delay=0.43, delays=0.01/0.02/0.03/0.37, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.251.116.26] said: 550-5.7.1 [192.46.218.224 12] Our system has detected that this message is 550-5.7.1 likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent to Gmail, 550-5.7.1 this message has been blocked. Please visit 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError 550 5.7.1 for more information. m12-20020a0568080f0c00b00389455db611si4492291oiw.127 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command)) ... May 5 08:11:35 zarathustra postfix/lmtp[29224]: 6ACFD1005EB: to=<degrowcali-bounces+alaitz.aritza=gmail.com@lists.ccalternatives.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.03, delays=0/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok)
And similarly for this one, Google thinks it's spam.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
If you don't have any templates in the file system and none in the DB table, then you must go to Jerusalem and pray, because you don't have any and nothing will work the way you want. It's either or!
On Thu, May 4, 2023, 21:14 Christian via Mailman-users < mailman-users@mailman3.org> wrote:
In March when I started troubleshooting my lists, you stated:
"Also, one other thing you might check. Do these non-working lists have templates defined in postorius, in particular, one for list:member:regular:footer, and if not, are there any in Mailman's var/templates/lists/redlatinleg@lists.ccalternatives.org/ derectory that Mailman doesn't have permission to find and read?"
There are no other templates listed in either Postorius nor in Mailman's var/templates (as I stated, I do not even lave a 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates). My subscribers are not receiving message distributions from my lists, even while some of them are listed in the archives.
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 10:58 AM To: mailman-users@mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: templates
On 5/4/23 10:33, Christian via Mailman-users wrote:
I'm having issues with my lists. For each list I have created a template [ list:user:action:subscribe ]which has a prospective subscriber have to consent to list rules before they are subscribed. This template I created is listed in Postorius for each list. I have noticed that there are no other templates listed in Postorius. Furthermore, there is no 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates/.
When you set a template in Postorius it saves it in the postorius_emailtemplate table in the database and tells Mailman core to get the template from Postorius via a URI to a Postorius API.
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On 5/4/23 12:44, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
If you don't have any templates in the file system and none in the DB table, then you must go to Jerusalem and pray, because you don't have any and nothing will work the way you want. It's either or!
He didn't say he didn't have templates in the file system. He said he didn't have any custom templates in Mailman's var/templates/lists/ directory.
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Isn't that the same thing as not having them in the FS? I read (and asked questions about) templates almost 10x before I got to understand the locations and how MM uses them. It's not easy to understand the ones in the FS while the ones in the DB are easy. Then again, one needs to know that Postorius only writes to the DB.
On Thu, May 4, 2023, 22:59 Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> wrote:
On 5/4/23 12:44, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
If you don't have any templates in the file system and none in the DB table, then you must go to Jerusalem and pray, because you don't have any and nothing will work the way you want. It's either or!
He didn't say he didn't have templates in the file system. He said he didn't have any custom templates in Mailman's var/templates/lists/ directory.
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On 5/4/23 13:13, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
Isn't that the same thing as not having them in the FS?
If your installation is in a venv for example, the base templates are in venv/lib/python3.x/site-packages/mailman/templates/. Isn't that part of the FS?
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On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 AM Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> wrote:
On 5/4/23 13:13, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
Isn't that the same thing as not having them in the FS?
If your installation is in a venv for example, the base templates are in venv/lib/python3.x/site-packages/mailman/templates/. Isn't that part of the FS?
<Confession> This is new knowledge that I did not posses previously as I have never seen it mentioned anywhere in the documentation that I have read. Maybe I was going to come to it one day. In the documentation that I have read, even the one from this <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience>, I never imagined about the presence of some defaults so I copied the ones that you shared and edited them. I had made a point of asking a question around this statement: "There are several default templates that have incorrect or generic URLs for the web UI. To make these better, I installed these templates in /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/site/en/ as follows.." from the above link, but it kinda escaped me. I had wondered where they were. In those days, MM3 installation process was still as scary as hell for many people, me being one of them, or was it the scare of the snake (Python) :-)
True story - also one that can be gleaned from the myriad stupid questions I asked on the MM3 list over the years - it took me years to get to wrap my head around MM3! I find it hard to imagine that I have become a great supporter for this thing that scared me for ages, since the days when it was in BETA. The venv example has made the process very easy. In fact, after you and Abhilash helped me internalize what a venv is, I have been able to comfortably run other projects in virtualenv. These days I can install MM3 in just a few hours - getting all the components running - Core, Web, MTA, and Apache (whether with uWSGI, mod-wsgi or Gunicorn). </Confession>
And I continue to learn new things everyday.
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