I've been going in circles between mailman and postfix trying to get things working. My current condition is that either mailman is putting incoming mail in the bit bucket or postfix is not sending incoming mail to mailman. According to the postfix forum my mailman configuration is messed up but it was auto generated by the installer. Supposedly these entries should not be in /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp or rather transport_maps and/or local_recipient_maps.
# Aliases which are visible only in the @gmail.com domain. lllllllllll@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-bounces@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-confirm@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-join@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-leave@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-owner@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-request@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-subscribe@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-unsubscribe@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024
And relay_domains shouldn't have this entry either in /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains in relay_domains:
gmail.com gmail.com
Clearly my postfix configuration is messed up but since this was all auto generated I don't know what to do.
On 2/6/26 09:00, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote:
I've been going in circles between mailman and postfix trying to get things working. My current condition is that either mailman is putting incoming mail in the bit bucket or postfix is not sending incoming mail to mailman.
What does your mail.log say? There should be an entry like
... postfix/lmtp ... to=<lllllllllll@gmail.com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024 ...
for mail to the list.
According to the postfix forum my mailman configuration is messed up but it was auto generated by the installer. Supposedly these entries should not be in /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp or rather transport_maps and/or local_recipient_maps.
# Aliases which are visible only in the @gmail.com domain. lllllllllll@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-bounces@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-confirm@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-join@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-leave@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-owner@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-request@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-subscribe@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 lllllllllll-unsubscribe@gmail.com lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024
And relay_domains shouldn't have this entry either in /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains in relay_domains:
gmail.com gmail.com
Clearly my postfix configuration is messed up but since this was all auto generated I don't know what to do.
I think the Postfix people are confused by the fact that your list domain is gmail.com and expect gmail.com mail to be delivered to Google, not Mailman. What you post above seems OK to me for what you are trying to do.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Yes, I see this:
2026-02-06T10:33:49.632822-05:00 dap002 postfix/lmtp[185616]: 7304C500071: to=<lllllllll@gmail.com>, relay=127.0.0.1[12 7.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.17, delays=0.09/0.02/0/0.06, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok)
However, there is nothing after that indicating any mail being distributed.
I should note that I can get this working if I use:
[smtp.gmail.com]:587 llllllllll@gmail.com:keystring
in sasl_passwd with smtp_sender_dependent_authentication = no. But if I set that to yes and use
llllllllll@gmail.com llllllllll@gmail.com:keystring
I get what I am getting now which means I can't use the various other addresses ( llllllllll-request, etc.).
On 2/6/26 10:06, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote:
Yes, I see this:
2026-02-06T10:33:49.632822-05:00 dap002 postfix/lmtp[185616]: 7304C500071: to=<lllllllll@gmail.com>, relay=127.0.0.1[12 7.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.17, delays=0.09/0.02/0/0.06, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok)
So the mail is delivered to Mailman's lmtp runner as it should be. What's in mailman.log and smtp.log? You can get a bit more log info by setting
[logging.smtp]
level: debug
in mailman.cfg.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
mailman.log
Feb 06 10:33:50 2026 (137333) llllllllll: DMARC lookup for uuuu@myisp.net (_dmarc.myisp.net) found p=quarantine in _dmarc.myisp.net. = v=DMARC1; p=quarantine; fo=1; rua=mailto:dmarc_rua@emaildefense.proofpoint.com; ruf=mailto:dmarc_ruf@emaildefense.proofpoint.com Feb 06 10:33:50 2026 (137333) ACCEPT: <ed25cdc2-81ea-4e9a-a9f3-03e5aab685ff@myisp.net> [06/Feb/2026:10:33:52 -0500] "GET /3.1/lists/llllllllll@gmail.com HTTP/1.1" 200 397 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [06/Feb/2026:10:33:52 -0500] "GET /3.1/lists/llllllllll@gmail.com/config HTTP/1.1" 200 3421 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [06/Feb/2026:10:33:52 -0500] "GET /3.1/lists/llllllllll.gmail.com/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 741 "-" "GNU Mailman REST c lient v3.3.5" [06/Feb/2026:10:33:52 -0500] "GET /3.1/addresses/uuuu@myisp.net HTTP/1.1" 200 390 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3. 5" [06/Feb/2026:10:33:52 -0500] "GET /3.1/users/uuuu@myispnet HTTP/1.1" 200 285 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [06/Feb/2026:10:33:52 -0500] "GET /3.1/lists/llllllllll.gmail.com/roster/moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 745 "-" "GNU Mailman RE ST client v3.3.5" [06/Feb/2026:10:33:52 -0500] "GET /3.1/addresses/uuuu@myisp.net HTTP/1.1" 200 390 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3. 5" Feb 06 10:33:53 2026 (137328) HyperKitty archived message <ed25cdc2-81ea-4e9a-a9f3-03e5aab685ff@myisp.net> to https: //gmail.com/archives/list/llllllllll@gmail.com/message/DVXWCJVGONYAXYHWSYKVZJABR3OG5SDT/ Feb 06 10:45:01 llllllllll
smtp.log
Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 34218) Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) handling connection Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) >> b'LHLO dap002.localdomain' Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) >> b'MAIL FROM:<uuuu@myisp.net> SIZE=10502' Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) sender: uuuu@myisp.net Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) >> b'RCPT TO:<lllllllll@gmail.com>' Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) recip: clllllllll@gmail.com Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) >> b'DATA' Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) >> b'QUIT' Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) connection lost Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) Connection lost during _handle_client()
Hmmmm. Connection lost?
On 2/6/26 10:49, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote:
mailman.log
Feb 06 10:33:50 2026 (137333) ACCEPT: <ed25cdc2-81ea-4e9a-a9f3-03e5aab685ff@myisp.net>
Mailman Accepted the message.
Feb 06 10:33:53 2026 (137328) HyperKitty archived message <ed25cdc2-81ea-4e9a-a9f3-03e5aab685ff@myisp.net> to https: //gmail.com/archives/list/llllllllll@gmail.com/message/DVXWCJVGONYAXYHWSYKVZJABR3OG5SDT/
And HyperKitty archived it.
smtp.log
Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 34218) Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) handling connection Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) >> b'LHLO dap002.localdomain' Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) >> b'MAIL FROM:<uuuu@myisp.net> SIZE=10502' Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) sender: uuuu@myisp.net Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) >> b'RCPT TO:<lllllllll@gmail.com>' Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) recip: clllllllll@gmail.com Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) >> b'DATA' Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) >> b'QUIT' Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) connection lost Feb 06 10:33:49 2026 (137334) ('127.0.0.1', 34218) Connection lost during _handle_client()
Hmmmm. Connection lost?
Those Connection lost messages are normal and expected as a result of the QUIT command.
However, missing are messages like
smtp to lllllllll@gmail.com for nn recips, completed in nn.nn seconds
post to lllllllll@gmail.com from uuuu@myisp.net, nnn bytes
Is Mailman's out runner running? Are messages queued in Mailman's var/queue/out/ directory?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
El vie, 06-02-2026 a las 17:00 +0000, dap1--- via Mailman-users escribió:
Clearly my postfix configuration is messed up but since this was all auto generated I don't know what to do.
You should follow the advice that you got from Viktor Dukhovni in the Postfix list: read Ralf and Patrick's Postfix book, clean everything up and start from scratch.
-- Victoriano Giralt Retired sysadmin
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