On 10/1/20 11:18 AM, gordon@dickens.com wrote:

Hi Mark,

I have errors like these in the mailman3 logs but they occurred earlier (that is prior to my attempting to post messages to the new mailman3 mailing list and which are not echoed to list members):

Oct 01 11:08:22 2020 (7895) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1601564901.8696995+c2b86623e2dcc8e9800b10ca2bcf8b82e8d8d662 Oct 01 11:08:23 2020 (7895) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1601564902.28165 63+16bd684dfb18c6175f3e7b0b11312cb203dc9c89.pck' Oct 01 11:08:23 2020 (7895) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 158, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1601564902.2816563+16bd684dfb18c6175f3e7b0b11312cb203dc9c89.pck'

These relate to the messages in the bad queue. It seems there is/was andn issue with ownership and/or permissions on some directory or directories is the path /var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin. Is mailman3, queue and virgin user and group list and searchable, readable and writable by list. Are all the runners running as user list

ps -fwwA|grep runner

The above errors occurred prior to the time that I attempted to send to the mailman3 list. However, here is what I see in the logs immediately after I sent a message to the list and which was not then echoed to list members:

Oct 01 11:51:03 2020 (7888) ACCEPT: <f92eeaad-245c-124b-dd09-b31a6b3c5686@dickens.com> Oct 01 11:51:07 2020 (7885) HyperKitty archived message <f92eeaad-245c-124b-dd09-b31a6b3c5686@dickens.com> to https://georgiajets.org /mailman3/hyperkitty/list/members@georgiajets.org/message/NUOU6UQ6DSHSK2WKNVZFIN5AELK5EYBU/ Oct 01 11:51:07 2020 (7891) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25

This is delivery of the outgoing message which looks like it was successfully archived. These messages come from /var/lib/mailman3/queue/out and after the failure are put in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/retry and periodically are moved back to the out queue and tried again.

Please note the message about the SMTP server not being able to connect to local host on port 25. Please let me know what you think is wrong and how to fix it.

Normally it means exactly what is says. Is your MTA (Postfix or ??) running? Can you telnet localhost 25 successfully? Note that if the message actually says local host and not localhost, the setting for smtp_host in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg needs to be fixed.

-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

Hi Mark,

Yes, that fixed it. I had been running the command line as root. However, everything started working properly once I changed the permissions of the directories and files.

Thanks!

Gordon

On 10/2/20 4:53 AM, gordon@dickens.com wrote:

Hi Mark,

BTW, as an aside, there is not any mention of admin users needing to be logged in as user=list instead of user=root in the documention here:

https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html

I highly recommend that the documentation be amended to clearly state that the admin users need to be logged in as user=list.

The list user is a Debian/Ubuntu package thing. The Mailman user can actually be anything.

I have added a note at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html#fn1> saying that these commands should be run as the Mailman user and not as root.

The mailman command itself, if run as root, should probably set the effective user:group to the Mailman user:group. We don't know that from the Mailman config, but maybe use the owner and group of the mailman command file. This is now <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/776>.

-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan