On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 5:58 PM Markus Grandpre < markus.grandpre@uni-konstanz.de> wrote:

Dear list members,

when following the instructions to migrate list archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3 (see [1]), I face the following problem:

# python3 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l mailman21-migration-test-04 /var/mailman21/testlist.mbox python3: can't open file '/var/mailman21/manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory

and have no clue, where to find the right <manage.py> file. The command dpkg returns:

Since we also don't know where it is, why don't you just find it? find / -type f -name "manage.py"

Then you can run your command from within the directory where it lives.

# dpkg -l | grep hyperkitty ii python3-django-hyperkitty 1.3.7-1 all Web user interface to access GNU Mailman3 archives

In </etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py> I find:

INSTALLED_APPS = ( 'hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', ...

Can you please help me? Thank you in advance?

If you need us to help you easily, please consider NOT using the OS packages and use the virtualenv[0] method of installation.

[0] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html

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Dear Mr Sapiro,

thank you very much for your help. The required command is:

# mailman-web hyperkitty_import
-l mailman21-migration-test-04@mailman.uni-konstanz.de
/var/mailman21/testlist.mbox

Due to the following warnings, I still have to customize Hyperkitty:

django_mailman3.MailDomain: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. ...

Can you give me another hint? As Linux admin I installed the packages mailman and mailman-web that were offered to me under Debian 12. Although during the installation of the packages user "list" was created, I cannot use it:

# su - list This account is currently not available

As with Mailman 2.1, I will probably have to continue working with Mailman3 as root. Too bad that there is no documentation for Debian admins like me, who don't want to dive too deep into the python framework. Or have I overlooked something?

Best regards, Markus

Am 25.03.24 um 18:56 schrieb Mark Sapiro:

On 3/25/24 07:58, Markus Grandpre wrote:

...

Dear list members,

when following the instructions to migrate list archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3 (see [1]), I face the following problem:

# python3 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l mailman21-migration-test-04 /var/mailman21/testlist.mbox python3: can't open file '/var/mailman21/manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory

and have no clue, where to find the right <manage.py> file. The command

This depends on how you installed Mailman 3. You may or may not want python3 manage.py at all. The required command could be something like django-admin or mailman-web.

Also the # prompt indicates you may be running as root. Mailman related commands should be run as the Mailman user (could be mailman or list or ... depending again on how you installed Mailman). Running as root can create files owned by root that later can't be read by the Mailman user.

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On Tue, 2024-03-26 at 08:06 +0100, Markus Grandpré wrote:

Dear Mr Sapiro,

thank you very much for your help. The required command is:

# mailman-web hyperkitty_import
-l mailman21-migration-test-04@mailman.uni-konstanz.de 
/var/mailman21/testlist.mbox

Due to the following warnings, I still have to customize Hyperkitty:

django_mailman3.MailDomain: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. ...

Can you give me another hint? As Linux admin I installed the packages mailman and mailman-web that were offered to me under Debian 12. Although during the installation of the packages user "list" was created, I cannot use it:

# su - list This account is currently not available

As with Mailman 2.1, I will probably have to continue working with Mailman3 as root. Too bad that there is no documentation for Debian admins like me, who don't want to dive too deep into the python framework. Or have I overlooked something?

Best regards, Markus

Hi Markus,

we are also running MM3 on Debian 12 from Package Repositories.

First of all, you should not try to directly switch user (su) to the lists user, it's generally intended to executes commands as that user, if necessary; either using runuser, sudo, or su -c.

However, the prepackaged scripts mailman-wrapper and mailman-web already do this and therefore you ca run those as root without permission problems.

On Debian there are two relevant users for MM3: the list user runs mailman core, whereas the www-data user runs Postorius and Hyperkitty. So you have to make shure, that the www-data user can access the .mbox files while importing.

Hope that helps.

Cheers, Michael

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Dear Michael,

thank you very much for your clarification.

Best regards, Markus

Am 3/26/24 um 17:38 schrieb Michael Oberrauch:

On Tue, 2024-03-26 at 08:06 +0100, Markus Grandpré wrote:

...

Dear Mr Sapiro,

thank you very much for your help. The required command is:

# mailman-web hyperkitty_import
-l mailman21-migration-test-04@mailman.uni-konstanz.de 
/var/mailman21/testlist.mbox

Due to the following warnings, I still have to customize Hyperkitty:

django_mailman3.MailDomain: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. ...

Can you give me another hint? As Linux admin I installed the packages mailman and mailman-web that were offered to me under Debian 12. Although during the installation of the packages user "list" was created, I cannot use it:

# su - list This account is currently not available

As with Mailman 2.1, I will probably have to continue working with Mailman3 as root. Too bad that there is no documentation for Debian admins like me, who don't want to dive too deep into the python framework. Or have I overlooked something?

Best regards, Markus

Hi Markus,

we are also running MM3 on Debian 12 from Package Repositories.

First of all, you should not try to directly switch user (su) to the lists user, it's generally intended to executes commands as that user, if necessary; either using runuser, sudo, or su -c.

However, the prepackaged scripts mailman-wrapper and mailman-web already do this and therefore you ca run those as root without permission problems.

On Debian there are two relevant users for MM3: the list user runs mailman core, whereas the www-data user runs Postorius and Hyperkitty. So you have to make shure, that the www-data user can access the .mbox files while importing.

Hope that helps.

Cheers, Michael

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