I still haven’t gotten around to getting a new MM3 service up and running, and now I’m looking at Sympa.
I’ve seen a few comparisons of the two systems on the net, but the ones I’ve seen are for announcement lists only. I did see one university that did a study of list managers to replace Listproc and chose Sympa.
I must admit my short-lived MM2 experience (used for my social sites for my high school and college classmates) seven years ago wasn’t the best was for two reasons: (1) no duplication of list names even for different domains and (2) it’s written in Python (instead of Perl). But, thanks to much help from Mark, I did get it runnng. I think it would be running today but it failed after about a year when Gmail (whose sntp server I was using) stopped allowing that, and I just didn’t know enough to get around the situation and had too much else to do.
I waited expectantly for MM3 to come out and was ready to try again, but the separation of a formerly-integrated system into several systems was a bit daunting.
Now I’m considering using Sympa: it’s coded in Perl, it’s monolithic, and it can support identical list names for different domains, so I am leaning in that direction.
Before I go, I would appreciate anyone giving me a good reason to stay with MM (besides excellent support and a welcoming community—one which is a member of an unfortunately small group of such communities).
Thanks so much.
Best regards,
-Tom
Am 20. Oktober 2018 um 09:55 Uhr -0500 schrieb Tom Browder:
Now I’m considering using Sympa: it’s coded in Perl, it’s monolithic, and it can support identical list names for different domains, so I am leaning in that direction.
I've long used mlmmj as a mailing list manager. If ease of management is the prime requirement and you don't care for a web interface for your mailinglists, then mlmmj is a pretty good choice both for announcement-only and normal mailing lists.
Before I go, I would appreciate anyone giving me a good reason to stay with MM (besides excellent support and a welcoming community—one which is a member of an unfortunately small group of such communities).
The reason why I prefer Mailman 3 (specifically, not 2) is the web interface, Hyperkitty. Most people today that want to contribute to an open-source project never used a real mailing list before, so a shiny web interface is an important step to get them aboard initially. Later on they may still realise the advantage of communication purely via e-mail, but a good web interface places the entry bar low.
Mailman 2's web interface looks awful with regard to today's web experience, hence I've never even considered using it. I was already writing on a custom web interface for mlmmj, when Mailman 3 went stable and I was positively surprised.
Greetings Marvin
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On 10/20/18 7:55 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
Before I go, I would appreciate anyone giving me a good reason to stay with MM (besides excellent support and a welcoming community—one which is a member of an unfortunately small group of such communities).
The 'unique listname even across domains' issue doesn't exist in Mailman 3.
Mailman is implemented in Python, not Perl ;)
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On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 12:12 PM Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> wrote:
On 10/20/18 7:55 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
Before I go, I would appreciate anyone giving me a good reason to stay with MM (besides excellent support and a welcoming community—one which is a
... Mailman is implemented in Python, not Perl ;)
Thanks for the reply, Mark (but I am a Perl user at heart!).
-Tom
Tom Browder writes:
I still haven’t gotten around to getting a new MM3 service up and running, and now I’m looking at Sympa.
You might try asking in the Sympa community. I can't speak for anybody else here, but FWIW I don't know anybody who has switched from Mailman to another mailing list manager, although I know a few projects that have switched to forum software. I know a few people who use other products who see no reason to switch to Mailman, too.
Before I go, I would appreciate anyone giving me a good reason to stay with MM (besides excellent support and a welcoming community—one which is a member of an unfortunately small group of such communities).
I can't think of a better reason than that. Mail is complicated and hard, and it's not something that software can handle without human help. If you had trouble with Mailman and your basic setup hasn't changed, you're likely to have trouble with other mailing list managers as well. I strongly recommend that you make sure that you have a good support network waiting for you if you move. (This is not a knock on Sympa, I know nothing about that community, bad or good.)
Steve
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 11:21 AM Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
Tom Browder writes: ...
I still haven’t gotten around to getting a new MM3 service up and running, and now I’m looking at Sympa.
You might try asking in the Sympa community. I can't speak for anybody else here, but FWIW I don't know anybody who has switched from Mailman to another mailing list manager, although I know a few
I have joined their lists, but I haven't asked this question yet, but I shall. I have browsed their lists and the community seems to be friendly and helpful--a very positive sign.
Before I go, I would appreciate anyone giving me a good reason to stay with MM (besides excellent support and a welcoming community—one which is a member of an unfortunately small group of ... I can't think of a better reason than that. Mail is complicated and hard, and it's not something that software can handle without human help. ...
Good point, Steve, but I will give them a try, at least for a while.
Thanks for the reply!
-Tom
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