On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 8:43 PM Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
At Sun, 7 Jul 2024 19:48:02 +0300 Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 7:16 PM Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com>
wrote:
At Sun, 7 Jul 2024 18:52:05 +0300 Odhiambo Washington <
wrote:
On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 4:12 PM Robert
Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
What am I missing? I *think* I have mailman3 *mostly* setup, but
odhiambo@gmail.com> there
are still some configuration things that are missing, but I am not sure how to fix them (the docs are NOT clear).
Which docs are you relying on?
https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html
I presume these are the official docs for mailman3 -- maybe they aren't?
How about this -
https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html
??
I'm not using a virtual environment. I'm using all native Debian 12 packages, installed via apt. The virtual environment docs are actually even worse (even more confusing).
Worse? :-)
Even more confusing. Both sets of docs make various assumptions and don't really explain things properly. Like everywhere where "settings.py" is mentioned, it really means "/etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py"
In any case, the virtual environment docs are hard to relate to a "native" install and are generally hard to follow, since they seem to jump all over the place. (Spaghetti docs?) And it is hard to replace the various (and not always consistent) virtual environment paths and settings files to the "native" paths.
The "official" docs are just not useful to me, since I am not using a virtual environment. If a virtual environment is recomended, what is the point of the Debian 12 packages? Are they just not meant to be used? Really? Do you mean that I should use a separate package management system for Mailman3? That really sucks.
Maybe I'm too smart and experienced?
You're clearly overestimating your smartness :-)
Maybe. I am NOT an experienced Python programmer -- it is one of my *least* favorite programming languages.
No programming is required to install MM3. Just competence as a Sysadmin, IMHO.
At this point I am considering scrapping Mailman and either giving up on
have mailling lists on my new server or using some other mailing list software,
If you follow the documentation about the Python virtual environment to the letter, you can have MM3 running in not more than 1 hour. And don't give up! I do understand how frustrating it can be. I have walked that route before and I can easily feel you. If you need my personal help, talk to me offlist and I will be able to walk you through the process. I could install MM3 for you, but you'll be administering your system so you need to understand what is going on, right? I actually can install it for you for FREE, but I will not help you with administering it for free :-)
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