On Thu, Apr 09, 2026 at 03:38:24AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Dave Dewey writes:
As someone who has just done this myself, and in similar circumstances (longtime mm2 admin moving to mm3), I agree the documentation could use some assistance. I struggled with a couple of really basic issues setting up the docker implementation -
*sigh* We don't support that officially, either. That's a personal project of Abhilash's. As far as I know, he still considers it a proof of concept, not a product for general use.
Please take this comment by way of feedback, presenting a point of view that is, I suspect, different from yours:
We really only are in a position to provide good support for installations via pip, from the most recent release or from git HEADs.
Which means any updates, etc, have to be done with pip -- a python thing. I have done a little python hacking but my head is not in the Python ecosystem. If I install something on Debian with apt (or Red Hat with dnf) then I do 'apt update', etc, and everything on my system is brought to the latest version.
If I install with pip: then I need to do something extra (which I will have to learn its quirks) just to bring one package, Mailman, up to date.
So: installing mailman with apt was, from my PoV, a sensible thing to do.
I accept that the Debian package of MM3 is not as good as it should be. I will not speculate why not.
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