Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 3/10/22 00:31, Stephan Krinetzki wrote:
Mark Sapiro wrote: If you are referring to messages in Mailman's bounces queue, if these are not processed and removed within 15 minutes of arrival, Mailman's bounce runner is not running. Well, it is the queue.Our var directory is under /opt/mailman/var and the /opt/mailman/var/queue/bounces is over 8GB big. There are *.pck messages and some of them are very old (>3 Years). The bounce seems to be running: Mar 10 09:24:53 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. Mar 10 09:25:00 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. Mar 10 09:25:06 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. Mar 10 09:25:12 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. Mar 10 09:25:18 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. Mar 10 09:25:24 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. Mar 10 09:25:30 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. Mar 10 09:25:36 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. Mar 10 09:25:43 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. Mar 10 09:25:49 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today.
The process it self is there mailman 376 99.4 19.1 6578312 6279000 ? R 09:17 10:52 venv/bin/python3 venv/bin/runner -C mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1
I don't understand what's happening. If the bounces runner is processing it's queue, those .pck files should be processed and deleted. Are there errors in /opt/mailman/var/logs/mailman? Nope. Only the daily info, that it runs. For today:
Mar 14 03:15:34 2022 (21507) Task runner evicted 25336 expired pendings
Mar 14 03:15:43 2022 (21507) Task runner deleted 3696 orphaned workflows
Mar 14 03:16:09 2022 (21507) Task runner deleted 7965 orphaned requestsSeems to be okay
If you examine (some of) those files with mailman qfile do you see anything strange?
Nope. Just regular Bounce Files.
Is there an ownership/permissions issue? Sometimes people run Mailman or some Mailman command as root and things get owned by root and then when Mailman is later run as mailman it can't delete or maybe even read them.
Nope:
/opt/mailman/var/queue/bounces
ls -altrh | head
total 12G
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 37K Jan 5 09:51 1641372708.3212914+fc901998d5e2ace166db31ace6d77081b0c7650c.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 42K Jan 5 09:52 1641372768.1659493+7afbcddc270547485732252874adcc27e04c9983.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 42K Jan 5 09:52 1641372768.2633681+73c527870449492689fd30502b73f455a191701e.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 7.7K Jan 5 09:58 1641373138.119037+2d5dd400e989db3303517b900d7f2b312d4cd7b5.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 7.7K Jan 5 09:58 1641373139.585048+ee824dec757735ef8bd8139ee0cd858cc7c92606.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 288K Jan 5 09:58 1641373139.846666+d75af26011eb1a8ef5673d9ee13c5425daec2bd4.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 288K Jan 5 09:59 1641373140.024808+be60d1d97590d77eaec46751524d1bfe7a2f9ee7.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 289K Jan 5 09:59 1641373140.8432257+678f545d176008a5483b8bc6747aebc2b84a7f4e.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 288K Jan 5 09:59 1641373141.505824+c253072ebeb3f07b2b455725ace225abdd621b22.pckAs you can see, there are old messages (not 3 years old, but some months old)
If you are referring to bounce messages in the message store (var/messages/), there have been issues with those not being removed, but Mailman core >= 3.3.5 should clean those up. SInce the messages are hashed or otherwise stored, i can't verify or deny this. Is the size of the /opt/mailman/var/messages directory very big?
Nope, it's 1.9GB at the moment. I don't think that's big.
Is there anyway to run the bounce runner manually and get the debug output of it?