On 6/2/24 7:57 AM, Marc SCHAEFER wrote:
Hello,
After importing a (big > 3000 subscribers) list with import21, I noticed the following:
36 mails went out from LIST-NAME-bounces to subscribers, but they apparently all bounced.
Could those be subscribers that Mailman2 saw bouncing and added the appropriate flag, and Mailman3 sent a probe after the import21?
These are probably not probes. They are probably Bounce disable warnings.
I checked for one of the e-mail address and:
Mailman2: - that e-mail has the [X] R flag for "noncourriel" (no delivery)
Mailman3: - that e-mail is Delivery mode Regular, Bounces to 0
import21 will set an imported members delivery_status to the corresponding MM 2.1 delivery_status. If an imported member's 2.1 delivery status is nomail with reason unknown, by_user, by_moderator or by bounces (in French these are ?, U, A, R respectively), the MM 3 delivery_status will be set accordingly. This is not Delivery Mode, it is Delivery status which is not shown on the membership list, but only by clicking the user's email in the membership list.
NB: in MM2 and MM3, all users are in Hold for moderation, that's normal.
In addition, there are a few mails in /var/lib/mailman/messages for example that same user: one file, showing a bounce from a remote server.
So my questions:
- is this behaviour to "probe" already disabled addresses normal, and not "port over" the "don't deliver"?
No, if a MM 2.1 user's delivery was disabled, it will be imported as such.
- why are those messages held in messages/ ?
Bounce DSNs are saved in the message store (/var/lib/mailman/messages) so they can be attached to admin notifications.
- should I then, before running import21, clean the MM2 installation of all those users with [X] R flag? If yes, is there a simple command?
That should not be necessary. MM 2.1 users with nomail "R" (in French) should be imported with delivery_status = DeliveryStatus.by_bounces and they should not be sent mail except for the periodic Bounce disable warnings which is probably what you are seeing.
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