On Mar 2, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Quanah Gibson-Mount <quanah@symas.com> wrote:
--On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 9:09 AM +0100 Lars Schimmer <l.schimmer@cgv.tugraz.at> wrote:
On 01/03/2021 13:15, Brian Carpenter wrote:
On 3/1/21 3:10 AM, Lars Schimmer wrote:
If it should be a gold standard, it should mention the default setup of a standard debian system (which is exim4, btw) and not assuming a special setup debian system.
So why don't you write up your own how-to for your so-call ''standard debian system". Remember this is a forum for Mailman 3, not a forum for the users of a "standard debian system". So far your comments are not helpful at all.
Install debian
apt-get install mailman3-full
As someone who is stuck using the ancient version of mailman3 in debian, I have to disagree. 99.9999% of the time I hit an issue, it turns out it was fixed years ago, but because I use the debian maintained version, I don't have those fixes. It's horrible.
+100
I originally installed mailman3 via the ubuntu packages and I eventually replaced that setup (read: paid Brian to re-install mailman3 “correctly") for 2 key reasons:
The ubuntu (and presumably debian) packages are 1+ years out of date - Quanah is correct in that most of the bugs you hit have been fixed already but haven’t made it through the package maintainer process yet.
The package installs are non-standard with respect to the way the mailman3 community tends to install them, which makes getting support here on this list much, much harder. You can see evidence of that periodically when someone asks a question and Mark’s response starts with “I’m not entirely sure how the <distro> package sets things up, but …”, which is no slight on Mark because he has his hands full with mm3 already and tracking every distro install layout is just not going to happen. It also means that the official mm3 docs don’t match what came out of your package. It’s just not good all the way around.
Distribution packages tend to be useful for really basic things like libraries. For constantly evolving projects where you need to be current, they're more of a detriment.
So much this.
- Mark
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